How Wachovia Saves Money on Training

Published 9/21/04

I had a savings account at Wachovia Bank here in Roanoke. Wachovia is one of the larger banks and it’s close to my office, and I needed a place to keep my money until my wife and I could both go in to open a joint checking account.

The Wachovia people were incredibly friendly and helpful — at least when I was opening my account.

But then I decided to close it. Wachovia charges $20 a month if you go below the minimum balance in a savings account, and I needed access to the money. (Most of our money is still in another bank at this point.)

So it seemed the only reasonable thing to do was close the account and then reopen it later when my wife was in town and we could move all our money there.

And then Gary White, a Wachovia “financial specialist,” told me there was a $25 fee for closing an account. “You’re kidding,” I said. “I’m going to reopen it in a few weeks.”

“There’s nothing I can do,” he said, “It’s not my policy.” And then he said those words only spoken by the incompetent: “That’s what the computer says.”

Ah. I asked about the manager; he gave me her card. “But there’s nothing she can do, either,” he said.

See, at Wachovia, the computer tells them what to do and they can’t override it. (Yes, Gary White told me that Wachovia doesn’t even allow its branch manager to override the computer.)

So that made me wonder: Beyond the basic skills of reading and writing, what does it take to be a Wachovia manager? Apparently not much if the computer tells you what to do.

And then I thought about McDonald’s, and how the fry vats beep when the fries are done. Same idea.

Sure, I think charging people $25 to close an account is nonsense. (Gary White said, “We’re no different than anyone else,” although I don’t know many other places that fine you for not doing business with them.)

But what’s really annoying is realizing I was doing business with a bank that has so little trust in its employees that it instructs them “Do what the computer says. Do not think.”

That doesn’t speak well of Wachovia’s HR department, or its corporate policies. (Or maybe it’s simply interested in corporate customers, not individuals.)

Or, perhaps, Wachovia is training people for a career manning the fry vats at McDonald’s.

Beep.

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Glenn says:

Ok, let’s see where to begin. First of all the $25.00 fee is for closing the account within the first six months. If you read the disclosures or just the short quick reference guide that was given to you, it would be apparent that the fee exists. As far as $20.00/month maintainence fee, that would only be applied if you did not meet the balance requirement after 3 months. If it were a Savings account, it would only be $4.00, with a minimum balance of $300.00 (depending on area). Unless you have a Money Market account, then it would be $10.00/month for not meeting the balance requirement of 2500.00. Once again this is clearly stated in the disclosures which we given to you.

If you did not recieve the disclosures (which I doubt), then you have an arguement and I guarentee that management would gladly make an accomadation for you. So please do some research before your create a site which people may read and make decisions off of. We do not come to your job, whatever that may be and critize you for doing your best. At Wachovia, there is a culture of making the customer happy and to maintain a relationship.

July 1st, 2005 at 9:37 AM

Andrew says:

The point was not so much the fee, but the fact that Gary White told me he had no choice in waiving it — he was following his computer’s instructions.

Sure, he didn’t have to give me good customer service. That’s what waiving the fee would be for a new customer who explained the situation. But to tell me that he was powerless? Please. (A claim that turned out not to be true. The bank manager contacted me and refunded my money.)

I got bad service from a Wachovia representative. If that was doing his best, as you say, then I hope people do read this and make decisions based on it.

I don’t need to “do research.” I was there. In his office.

As for “We do not come to your job, whatever that may be and critize you for doing your best”: I work for a newspaper. When I screw up, letters will come in and likely be published. So yeah, I’m not only criticized, I’m criticized publicly.

The Wachovia manager was great. He knew what good customer service was, and I was glad to see it. But that doesn’t change the fact that I got *bad* service first, and had to blog about it before it was changed.

July 1st, 2005 at 9:52 AM

Allen says:

I am so glad to have found this blog. I/we have also just had a very bad experience with Wachovia(fomerly SouthTrust) here in southern Alabama. My wife and I filed our 2005 Income taxes through TurboTax and had the refund electronically deposited to our account. We used the same Account Number that we’ve been using for several years(which to our knowledge had not changed when the merger took place). However, when we called to check the status of our deposit, we learned that it may be rejected due to the fact that Wachovia uses 13 digits in its account number instead of 10 which happens to be the maximum number of digits allowed in the TurboTax software. When I explained this to the woman on the phone, all she could say was “I’m sorry, but our acccount numbers are 13 digits not 10.” But, I went to their website and found a link to TurboTax. So, why tell me this and fool myself and others that we can use TurboTax and a 10 digit account number when filing our taxes electronically. I am highly pissed and will be withdrawing every cent from Wachovia Bank as soon as possible. I would love to know if any other SouthTrust customers have experienced the same problems.

February 27th, 2006 at 2:35 PM

James says:

I recently had the most unfortunate experience with Wachovia Bank. On 4/13/06 I deposited 2401.39 in the form of a “paper check” from my employer. I ask the teller can I get cash back and she said no because my account was overdrawn. She even ask to me initial the bank deposit slip as you crossed out the $50 I had requested back as cash. I knew my account was overdraft but did not know the bank would refuse my request being that the deposit was more than enough to cover the overdraft fee of $135 (Which mind you was an error on their part as well and maybe an error with banks in general in terms of how the execute debit transactions. But I’ll explain that later in the story.) I ask the teller when will my money be available and she said “It will be processed tomorrow” A light bulb should have went on off in my head because this young lady was practicing doublespeak. Common amongst financial institutions. You see processed and funds available are two different things and I’ll explain as the story plays out.

Anyway, as I am walking down 6th Avenue in Manhattan. I notice that my deposit slip said my funds won’t be available until 4/20/2006. If I would have know that prior to depositing my check I would have said fuck Wachovia and went to my local check cashing place and did the deed of getting my money.

I really don’t trust banks anyway and feel they are eroding Americans sovereignty away from us but that for another posts.

I head for the nearest payphone and call customer service to get an explanation. (I am not going to waist valuable minutes paying another bloodsucking industry the cell phone companies calling up Wachovia.) I hear the seductive Welcome to Wachovia prompt as the call connects.

I give the person answering the call a description of what happen at the bank and she tells me that tomorrow I can call up Wachovia and tell them reverse the hold on my account. I also complain as to what is the logic behind placing a hold on an account because overdrafts for 5 business days if when the check clears the overdrafts will be paid. She replies that is bank policy and in the user agreement and terms. She even tells me what page. For those wanting to know. I am pissed off now because I can’t get my money and I need to get my money but until tomorrow I can’t do squat.

I wake up at 10 am and rush to the nearest payphone. I call customer service and ask her to process my request that the hold be removed from my account. She said there is no process for the hold to be removed from my account. I said I just talk to a customer service rep yesterday and she specifically told me all I had to do was call in a request that the hold be removed from my account and it would and it take no longer than 3 business days to be complete. She said “I am sorry to inform you that there is not process to remove a hold from your account until the check clears” I immediately ask her to transfer me to another customer rep who has expertise handling these types on situation to get a similar answer only this time he said it was at the branches discretion where I deposited the check to remove the hold or not.

I have to give credit to Wachovia as a company on their customer service training. Each time I called and talk to a rep if they could not give me a solution I wanted they at least offered more information on the process of why they are screwing me. Not much help when you need the money badly but educational no less. And this is an important part of selling effectively. lol

April 14th, 2006 at 11:19 PM

dimitrios says:

wachovia sux ive had a bank account with them for 2 weeks now and have had lots of problems. i make deposits that dont show up(cash deposits)i mean how long does it take for a cash deposit to post? so they charged me 300 dollars in overdraft fees because i used my card thinking i had plenty of money to cover my purchase. that 400 dollar deposit still hasnt cleared yet it has been several days and they are still racking up overdraft fees. go figure shit on the little guy.

May 16th, 2006 at 9:36 PM

Personal Banker says:

Ok first of all, nobody in their right mind should sign anything in their life without reading it first, in today’s world anyway. Second, if you have overdrafted your account you are an irresponsible fellow, spending money that you don’t have an then blaming the bank when it placed a hold on your check deposit is just ridiculous, the bank no longer trusts you (can you blame them??…last time you spent more money than you had, do the right thing blame yourself! This time you must wait for your money to be available, before you spend it buddy! Third, don’t spend money you don’t even know has cleared your account, is plain and simple (even if its cash), banks have and reserve the right to place holds on most deposits, don’t assume (make an ass out of yourself) that if its cash it will clear right away. People, besides the first story which the author later on explained a little more why he said what he said, the rest is just common sense! Use your brain and is time to start making yourself accountable for your own mistakes and please stop blaming others, no one is responsible for you other than you, peace out!

May 20th, 2006 at 4:03 PM

Leland says:

Excuse me oh great Personal Banker. I realize I’m just an individual depositor, worth just slightly less effort then it takes to have a human being answer the phone and obviously never able to figure out my statement or how much money I have in the bank. But may I trouble you to come down from on high and address a few questions…

How do you handle it when a customer comes to you because a check for 24.90 was encoded at the receiving bank for 249.00? That ex-bank of mine took eight days and a call from a TV station to put the money back in my account when they had the check in their hands.

Now that the federal banking rules or law requires checks to be cleared electronically within something like one or two business days (and deprives me of the privilege of ever seeing the original check again). So why is it the Bank of Ivory Towers still wants to sit on deposited checks for 7 to 10 days?

Could you tell me where a bank gets off charging me for the privilege of closing an account? What if you piss me off in the first 30 days and I don’t trust you with my money anymore?

While I anxiously await your wisdom on these matters, I think I’ll watch for the commercial featuring the “Big Bank” executives laughing at the miniature business man begging for a small business loan. By the way, is that you in that commercial?

Ahhhh… It must be good to be king.

May 21st, 2006 at 12:14 AM

Former Financial Specialist says:

I worked for Wachovia for 4 years as an FS. BTW, you CAN override the system and delete holds placed, you CAN give O/D fees back, and you CAN waive the closing penalties. the more money you bring in any given month through securities, deposits, loans, etc, the more $$ you can give back to the customers without getting your hand slapped. Wachovia robs from the poor who can’t afford the ridiculous O/D fees in the first place and feed the rich upper management stock options. Trust me, you DON’T want to bank at Wachovia if your aren’t making $100k a year.

May 22nd, 2006 at 6:49 PM

Wachovia Screwed says:

Wow! So, Mr. Personal Banker, it’s the fault of the overdrafter only that there are overdrafts? You got to be shitting me, you lying sack of dogturds. Here’s the skinny, ninny. Wachovia and any number of banks have found out that “free checking”, which they jokingly refer to amongst themselves as “fee checking” is a ticket to screwing people over. Direct depositors and others on fixed or low incomes are prime targets of the banks’ fee offensive.

And if a consumer should want help from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (the federal bank “regulator”), don’t hold your breath. They are so far up the banking industry’s ass, they won’t ever side with a consumer.

If one banks online with Wachovia (a practice that is encouraged, not only so one can bank without accessing human resource capital, but also so that one can be misled), one will notice that the available balance, check card holds, current balance, and bill pay information continually mislead consumers regarding the available amounts in their accounts.

Imagine this. You bank with Wachovia and their overdraft fee is $35 a pop. OK, well you have been informed so be responsible with your accounting or it’s your own fault, right? You wake up on Thursday and your account balance is $100. You go to Walgreens in the morning to grab a bottle of spring water that costs $2.00, and you pay with your
ATM/”check” card. Around 11:30, you swing by Mickey D’s to pick up a “value meal” (that one is ripe for all kinds of critical analysis) that costs you $5.50, which you pay with your ATM/”check” card. At 3pm, you leave the office to head to a meeting, and you stop into the gas station and put in $15.00 worth of gas, paid for with your ATM/”check” card. At 6, you leave work and meet a pal at Schlotz Pub, a neighborhood bar, for a “happy hour” pair of beers — $7.50 on your ATM/”check” card. Then you grab a dinner taco at Don Juan’s — $8.00 on your ATM/”check” card. On the way home you stop by the grocery to pick up some groceries — 58 bucks on your ATM/”check” card. You get home, unload the groceries, boot up your computer, log onto your bank account, and see you still have a balance of $100.00. The debits may or may not show up on “check card holds”, but they probably will not. You go to sleep, and that night, your student loan payment, conveniently set up with automatic pay, debits from your account $99.00. So, because you were “stupid” and failed to account for the upcoming auto debit of your student loan, what’s your new balance
including overdraft fees on Friday morning? Well, let’s calculate it.

$100 - 2.00 = 98
$98 - 5.50 = 92.50
$92.50 - 15.00 = 77.50
$77.50 - 7.50 = 70.00
$70.00 - 8.00 = 62.00
$62.00 - 58.00 = 4.00
$4.00 - 99.00 = -$95.00 - $35 (overdraft fee).
Jeepers! You now have a balance of -$130.00 because you irresponsibly failed to account for the automatic debit of your student loan, right, you lunkhead? Better make a deposit to bring the balance back into the black, right? WRONG!

The bank debits high to low, regardless of the order of charges on Thursday. Here’s what it looks like on Friday morning:

$100 - 99 = $1
$1 - 58 = -$57.00 - $35 (overdraft fee), new balance -$92;
-$92 - $15.00 - $35 fee = -$142;
-$142 - 8.00 - 35.00 fee = -$185;
-$185 - 7.50 - 35.00 fee = -$227.50;
-$227.50 - 5.50 -35.00 fee = -$268.00;
-$268.00 - 2.00 - 35.00 fee = -$305.00.

WOW! The bank “earned” $210 in fees instead of $35 just by changing the order from high to low. Think of how something like this may affect someone with limited education, someone with any type of mental failing, someone whose spouse happened to make a debit the same day. You can call and check your balance, your available balance, whatever. You can look online, you can do whatever you want. The information will not be available to alert you to the fact that you are going to overdraft. Your notice will come after they charge the money against your account. Oh, so
you effectively paid $37 for a bottle of water, $50 for $15 worth of gas, $40.50 for a McDonald’s burger with fries and a drink, $42.50 for two beers, $43.00 for your taco dinner, and $93 for $58 worth of groceries.

Here’s another wonder of banking. Say all those purchases were prior to 4 pm and you realize at 4 that, “Oh, no, my student loan is coming out tonight!” You happen to have a hundred bucks for a rainy day in a secret stash at your crib so you run home, get the $100, go to the drive up Wachovia window and deposit it. “Whew! I’m covered but that was a close call,” right? Nope. They got your money, but they ain’t gonna credit until the next day when the damage is done. So now your balance would be -$205.

Don’t blow smoke up our asses about how irresponsible we are as consumers when banks, insurance companies, legislators, and corporations are screwing us. I leave you this, banker boy: “Thou wouldst eat thy dead vomit up, And howl’st to find it.”

May 30th, 2006 at 2:37 PM

Carlos says:

All of you need to stop complaining and realize that if you would not have been irresponsible in the first place it wouldnt have happened. Its that simple. Banking is a business and they have to generate a revenue stream just like any other company. Borrowing money and then reinvesting it in loans and other investments is not enough. UNDERSTAND THE WAY BANKS WORK AND THEN COME ON HERE AND TALK SHIT!!!

June 14th, 2006 at 3:37 PM

Leland says:

Hey Carlos! Help me understand how banks work then. I really want to know.

How is a $24.90 check encoded for $249.00 my fault?

While you’re at it, tell me why a bank wants to sit on a deposited check for three to seven working days now that the Check 21 law* passed in Oct. 2004 requires electronic processing of checks reducing clearance times to minutes in some cases, let alone days?

And last, but not least, I want to hear you justify a bank charging anyone $30 bucks for the privilege of closing their account for what ever reason. Isn’t that like Wal-Mart charging me $30 bucks for taking my business to Target?

I anxiously await your answers.

“Talk shit…” That must be a new banking term I’m not familiar with. Perhaps you could clarify that for us as well.

*http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/block/2004-10-11-ym_x.htm

June 15th, 2006 at 2:22 PM

Carlos says:

FYI: You are not the only person I was referring to; you should scroll up and see the others complaining because they had been hit with fees for not maintaining there accounts responsibly. Nonetheless, I will be more than happy to answer your pitty party questions!

First, You have every right to be upset for that… hell I would! understand that just like you make mistkes in the work place, that is if you work, banks do to. Yes, it was at your expense and it is not fair but they make mistakes just like you do, even robots make mistakes.

Second, was your deposited check from another state? If it was you should know that the routing numbers and accounts have to be verified. That process does take a while. If it wasn’t then that would be another fault of the teller who processed the check and any additional charges to your account should have been removed.

Third, did you read your information before you signed it. I can assure you it stated somewhere on there you were responsible for paying the $30 if the account was closed. No bank in this world would take that liability of not disclosing that information. They are regulated and MUST give you that information. Next time pay attention before you sign your name on anything oh brilliant one.

“Talk Shit” is by no means a banking term. However, it is English. I was not aware you could only speak in banking terms on this blog…

June 20th, 2006 at 10:39 AM

Leland says:

Good Lord…

Quote Carlos, ” Nonetheless, I will be more than happy to answer your pitty party questions!”

Ladies and gentlemen, Carlos has just shown once and for all the attitude that most of the large national banks have toward most of the unwashed masses of individual depositors. “We don’t care, we don’t have to.” That is the biggest reason big banking needs to be slapped down and slapped down hard.

For the record I’ve been fortunate over the years. Other then the mis-encoded check, no bounces. I’m simply unhappy with the attitudes and behaviors of big banking these days. You call it pity, I call it disgust.

Quote Carlos, “Yes, it was at your expense and it is not fair but they make mistakes just like you do, even robots make mistakes.”

This we agree on. But you misread my complaint. That complaint was with the bank’s reluctance to rectify the situation. The bank’s original position was the error was on the bank the supermarket deposited my check with. They told me that no one even looks at the incoming checks under a certain amount of money. Their solution was that I had to go back to the supermarket to get it fixed.

The call center clerk, the call center manager and even the officer at the bank had no interest in replacing the money, refunding the charges or making it right with the good people that got my paper back as a result of this. It took a call from a television station consumer reporter and a spot on the evening news to get them to see the light. The sad part is the law required them to make it right but the bank didn’t want to go to the trouble.

As for holding checks, my point is that electronic clearance means they clear overnight in most cases. There is no longer an excuse for sitting on my money for three to seven days no matter what state the check was written in. Within one working day, the bank knows if the check will clear and has the money in their system.

Quote Carlos: “Third, did you read your information before you signed it. I can assure you it stated somewhere on there you were responsible for paying the $30 if the account was closed.”

Once again you missed. I’ve never been charged a fee for closing an account. Nor does the bank I’m with have such a fee. My complaint is such a fee exists. It is outrageous a bank would have such a requirement, written or not. There is no excuse for such a thing. You don’t hold my business with a ransom. You hold it because I trust your organization with my money.

Quote Carlos: “However, it is English. I was not aware you could only speak in banking terms on this blog…”

You crack me up. But the fault is mine. I should have known a by the book, rules rule all, ivory tower banker wouldn’t see the sarcasm. Forgive me, I won’t do it again. The use of that phrase from an Ivory Tower banker strikes me as odd. It is what it is?

June 20th, 2006 at 2:43 PM

Samantha says:

The bottom line is that most banks including Wachovia are a business! They are in the business of making money! And if that means making money via charging NSF fees, late fees, overdraft fees, any kind of fees, they will do it! They don’t give a damn about you, the consumer. Erm correction, they don’t give a damn about you, the poor counsumers! The less you make the more likely it is that you won’t matter to them! I have a money market account with wachovia and I can tell you that I do receive a relatively good level of service (could be better) especially since I also bank locally at my local branch! It pays to know the ppl you bank with! However, I too have even had problems with over draft fees and the like! Wachovia will almost never credit you a fee unless it is a banking error! If you have a good staning and banking history they might reverse a fee once in a while! But that is the exception! So bottom line, make sure you balance your check book, try not to pay anything unless you have the funds secured or unless you have over draft protection (they even charge you a 5 dollar fee for that but it is a hell of alot better then being charged 30 a pop). And yeah, shit happens, we can’t always pay our bills or on time, that is life! And always remember, the bank will usually end up on top! So don’t give them reason too!

June 21st, 2006 at 3:41 PM

Samantha says:

Oh yeah, and one more thing! Never ever take anything the bank tells you for granted unless you know the person you are dealing with! And if you are talking over the phone with a teller, customer associate specialist, whatever, always take down their name, date and time you spoke with them, and record everything that is of importance! That way you at least have something to fall back on! Cheers!

June 21st, 2006 at 3:44 PM

Carlos says:

Thank you for your insight Samantha. I could not agree with you more. Your point is exactly what I am trying get across here.

June 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 AM

Tia says:

Hello People, Well what most of you fail to realize is that Wachovia, like any other bank, is a business first. Therefore Wachovia expects there representatives as well as there clients to bring something call responsiblity to the table. For example the bank provides a channel for you to do your financial transaction such as pay your bills, make cash available to you 24hrs a day, finance any and everything your little pockets can’t afford to, offer financial advice your little brain couldn’t come up with and a whole host of other services. So with all that banks do, all they ask is that you keep a check register of the money YOU’VE spent. Wow can you image what your financial picture would look like if you just did that one little thing. And then when life does kick you in the ass, guess what, your bank while have your back…and no you don’t have to have 100k to have a banking relationship. But if you don’t do that one little thing…you will get hammered in overdraft and unavailable fee and if it happens time and time again your bank won’t have your back because it screams IRRESPONSIBILITY!!!!!! So suck it up and act like adults

June 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 PM

Tori says:

I work at a local bank, and I’ve NEVER heard of cash handed to a teller not being posted immediately. Only cash deposited to the drive up after 8 am is posted the next business day. There is a law that prevents holds being placed without informing the customer (AND getting their signature). I am an avid user of direct deposit, automatic withdrawals, debit cards, and ATM cards. I have never once overdrawn my account, because I am CAREFUL, and I PAY ATTENTION to what is happening. If you spend $30, you better damn well make sure that $30 is in your account. There are only a handful of times, EVER, where I can see an overdraft fee being legitimately refunded.
Nine times out of ten, it isn’t the bank’s fault. It’s poor judgement and math skills on the customer’s part. And YES, I am a bank customer, too. I agree that some banks are the most ridiculous businesses in all the world, but they are a necessary evil, and NOT THAT HARD to figure out. Keep track of what you spend, so you know what you have. It seems like a fairly simple concept.

June 27th, 2006 at 8:56 PM

Carlos says:

Thank you for your perspective Tori and Tia. I am glad to see that some people can take accountability for what they do. I could not agree with you any more!

June 28th, 2006 at 9:39 AM

Bank of America RE: Wachovia Screwed says:

same shit happens at Bank of America. High to low.. hold the debits until the money is not available and then hit them.

June 28th, 2006 at 6:46 PM

Wachovia_Cashes_Checks Without_Verifying_Funds says:

My nephew deposited a check from someone in his account (linked to my name) and Wachovia made the funds available in the same day. The amount of the check was approximately $4,400. My nephew spent the money. 6 days later, Wachovia rescinded the funds from my nephew’s account because the bank that the check was drawn on said that account had NSF. So now my nephew’s account is overdrawn by $4,400. Wachovia said they made the funds available as a courtesy.
How the hell can Wachovia do such a thing? How can they clear a check and make the funds available without verifying funds? That account is a College Access Account. They should not have allowed that. If they took the time to look at my nephews account history, they would not have done that. Of course they are claiming no responsibility for this, and the person who gave him the check is nowhere to be found.
So, consumer beware. If you deposit a check in your Wachovia account, and the funds are available right away, don’t let greed get the best of you. Wait a week, call the bank, and triple check to make sure that the check did actually clear at the other bank.

July 12th, 2006 at 11:10 AM

zoria says:

Carlos, you really need to stop being the advocate of one of the greediest, infatuated, and unscrupulos bank I have ever known. Even credit card companies don’t charge you as much for granting you a loan, as Wachovia does with their overdraft funds. If you part of the upper management level, than yeah I can see you pointing your finger at those “criminals” that are being charged $25.00 for making the mistake of buying a happy meal! You people out there try to find any other bank than Wachovia!! what they give you with one hand it would be taken with 100 hands back, so don’t be fooled!!!

July 28th, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Florida Banker says:

I am a banker with the largest privately held bank in the state of Florida. I am over the Commercial Lending sector of the bank and I work out of our corporate office so I have little contact with the day to day customers of the bank. I do, however, see the letters that customers write in either praising or complaining and we try to find a way to satisfy all of our customers. Now, I agree that if it was the banks error in any way they should not only treat the customer well, but go out of their way to get everything cleaned up and create a satisfactory ending for the customer.

My question for this site is this: I have a friend who banks with Wachovia. He closed his checking account with that bank and went on about his business. A couple of months later he received a letter stating that he had a huge overdraft balance due to some company drafting his account, which was supposed to be closed. He has gone to the local area branch and talked to them and they continually say there is nothing they can do and that they have no record of him closing it, even though he went in himself and closed the account. One of the employees at the branch even remembered him coming in and closing it. I’ve discussed this situation at length with the head of my legal dept and she concurred that if he closed the account, the do not have the power to reopen it for any reason, especially an outside company’s draft. Naturally I can’t get my bank involved in a legal dispute with anyone over something in which it was not involved, but I would like some clarification. Does anyone know of a situation like this where the bank can reopen the account and allow drafts to go through and rack up NSF fees? Also, does anyone have any advice for they person in which this has happened?

August 31st, 2006 at 6:32 PM

Leland says:

Call the state in which you friend lives. Find out if the Attorney General and/or the state banking people handle consumer banking problems. Go to their web site(s) and file a formal complaint.

If your friend is really angry, bring out the nukes! Contact the local TV and/or news paper that seems to have the most aggressive consumer trouble shooter reporter. You would be amazed at how flexible an otherwise inflexible decision can become the minute a reporter and camera crew shows up.

September 1st, 2006 at 1:37 PM

Wachovia Sucks says:

I have a business account with Wachovia, I deposited 6k into the account, I checked my account, it says the money is now available. It normally takes 2 days (for a check) to become available, anyway, went to the bank and wanted to withdraw some money from the account. The teller says she will have to get approval for this, found it odd, the money is available why do you need approval. Anyway, she makes a call, waited for a while, then she comes back to tell me, that the approval office, denied it.

Okay, if my account says this amount of money is available, why am I getting approval for anything? Doesn’t available mean available?

January 9th, 2008 at 12:48 PM

wachovia teller says:

wachovia sucks says: “Okay, if my account says this amount of money is available, why am I getting approval for anything? Doesn’t available mean available?”

Not necessarily… the availability and use of the funds in your account is dependent on; a) your “credit profile” and the banking relationship you have established with your financial institution; and b) that the source of the funds you want to use are genuine and will not likely be challenged (i.e., fraudulent, disputed, illegal).

Your bank has established a “credit profile” on you based on how you have managed your account in the past and the amount of money it has been accustomed to seeing you deposit over a period of time.

Example: If you have regularly made deposits of what they call “not on us” checks in the amount of $5000 which have not had recourse on the origin or availability of those funds, then more than likely you will not be advised that you will have to wait to use those funds until they clear the bank they were drawn on. The assumption is that, based on your previous banking history, those types of funds are normal and no problems on obtaining them will occur.

If you suddenly begin making deposits in the amount of $10000., this signals a change your profile so the bank must re-examine your banking relationship before they extend a “credited” use of funds which may not have cleared the bank they were drawn on. When the system prompts, tellers are required to advise you of the delayed availability of those funds in your account and your deposit ticket should also show information on the date(s) of availability of those funds.

When you require use of a large portion of recently deposited funds which have not yet cleared their sources, your bank must “manually certify” to the best of their ability that the funds you want to use will not be challenged. They do this by examining recently deposited items and calling the banks those items are drawn on to get a verbal “OK” that the funds are going to be transferred into your account when they are presented to the bank they were drawn on. Based on that information, approval is given or denied.

You may feel inconvenienced but in the long run, this helps to protect the bank *AND* you from losing money. Ultimately, you are responsible if you spend money that is not available to you and believe me, there are *LOTS* of people out there who have no qualms about cheating you, scamming you or writing you a bad check.

January 15th, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Banker at LARGE US BANK says:

Everytime I come across one of these websites, it disspoints me slightly to read some of the complaints. First, I would like you to know, that banks are only in business because of you the client. EVERY bank takes pride in providing the best service possible to all of it’s clients. However, from first hand expereince, many clients ABUSE the “system” which make banks become more strict about how they handle everyones situation.

Understand that the overdraft system that banks use (including the bank I work for) don’t always seem to be the most FAIR system at all times, HOWEVER the system is completely legal. The overdraft system is something ONLY used by those people who want the ability to not keep track of what is in their account, or those who choose to spend more than what rightfully is available to be spent. THEREFORE, the cost is extremely high because those who overdraw are the ONLY people that pay to upkeep the overdraft system. If you never overdraw your account, you will never complain about the overdraft charges. over 60% of my client don’t care what the charge of overdrwaing is, becuase they NEVER overdraw(and they are NOT all wealthy people!!! MANY of them are minimum wage people who simply work to ensure they manage their accounts!!)

If the bank makes an error, which happens from time to time, THE BANK will research the error and refund all fees associated with the error that has been made. THE BANK will ask the same of you. If you make a mistake and overdraw your account, pay the fees associated with the bank lending you money! All the fees are disclosed in the information you get during the account opening procedure. I am not here to advocate that the fees are not too high or that the system is completely fair. I wont say that in some situations the fees should not be refunded. But what I will say is that it is not my responsibility as a banker to keep up with your account. It is your responsibility.

I will go one step further to say that often, people come into the bank with the wrong attitude. Bankers have the ability to do a lot of things to make a client happy. I can refund fees, give free checks, delete deposit holds, give immediate credit for deposits, and much more. HOWEVER these things are reserved for use in the right situation. If I give you immediate credit for a desposit that we normally would not, I am signing saying that I will be held responsible for your deposit if the funds are not good. Do you think that I will feel comfortable vouching for someone who overdraws there account every other week?

I dont refund fees simply because you feel like its a ripoff. I refund fees because you understand YOU, NOT the bank made a mistake and agree with me that YOU will work to do better with maintaining your account in the future. I dont delete deposit holds because you feel like its a stupid policy that the bank can legally hold your funds for 10 day, I delete these holds when clients kindly ask for the bankers assistance and understand why the policies exist AND thier account history shows that they have not asked for extreme policy exceptions in the past.

When you go to the bank, remember the banker can help you, or they can make the choice to let you suffer. MOST bankers will help you, if you politely ask, AND understand why things are as they are. Just like you at your jobs, IT IS NOT MY responsibility to justify why policies are what they are. IT IS MY JOB to understand the policy and know when to maintain it and when maybe to make an exception.

In ending I say this. PEOPLE who come to the bank and fuss and cuss and create a scene normally leave more upset because there grocery and gas money is tied up in overdraft charges. People that are polite, tend to more often leave much happier and than they came because the banker understand their sincerity and makes the choise to help them recover some of the loss. The polite and kind person will potentially get the deposit override so that the funds are available immediately. REMEMBER not every situation deserves an override. Any override to the system that I make, I am taking responsibility for. I WILL ONLY take responsibility for the right client. That is the client that doesnt complain but spends more time learning how to prevent the same thing from happening again.

If I as the banker overdraw my account, I the banker pay overdraft feees. ALL THE SAME POLICIES apply to me as apply to you!! I am subjected to the same deposit holds, the same fee structure, the same hold policies, and EVERYTHING ELSE!! MOST people dont realize that. The only difference is, that where you can come to me and ask for an exception, I have no place to go because typically speaking, bankers are unable to service the accounts of partners and other co workers.

REMEMBER NICE PEOPLE GET HELP, RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL DONT. You are at the bankers mercy really, so dont yell and scream at them. All you can do is close your account and go somewhere else (and you cant even do that if its overdrawn) and if you go somewhere else, the same problems will happen there if you wont stop long enough to understand them in the first place.

Happy Happy Banking

January 17th, 2008 at 12:17 PM

marus aurelius says:

I was an FCM (branch manager) at Wachovia-
All the fee shit is normal bank practice- next time you want to talk about extortion in other 3rd world countries remember this- we even knew we were double dipping electronically when customers “bounced checks” and it is still legal!

The original article compared a Wachovia “manager” to a Fry cook at MCD’s. In fact it’s worse than that. Wachovia recognizes there will be manager fall out due to the fact they don’t want managers to do any thinking on their own- this put me at odds with “upper manangement”. Wachovia already had at least 40 more recruits waiting for an opening. Wachovia actually hires and trains bank “managers” without a place to put them. A trained employee may have to wait 2 months to get their own bank because they have so many other “managers” with no branch, hungrily waiting for someone to get fed up and quit!

February 7th, 2008 at 3:11 PM

madison06 says:

Wachovia charged me $175 in NSF/OD funds and I still had $75 in my account after the charge. Can someone please explain to me how I can have an OD account and still have money left after the charges????

02/07/2008 Other OVERDRAFT/UNAVAILABLE FUNDS FEE $175.00 $76.46
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE MURPHY6768ATWALMRT 02/06 $5.05 $251.46
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE CHINA KING 02/06 $5.07 $256.51
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE TRADE MART 420000 02/05 $5.31 $261.58
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE WM SUPERCENTER 02/06 $14.26 $266.89
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE BILL’S PET SHOP #3 02/05 $20.74 $281.15
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE DAIRY QUEEN #41127 02/06 $25.85 $301.89
02/07/2008 Purchase PURCHASE WAL-MART #1355 02/05 $166.49 $327.74
02/06/2008 Purchase PURCHASE BOJANGLES’ TANDS 6 02/05 $2.33 $494.23
02/06/2008 Purchase PURCHASE DOLRTREE 2170 02/05 $3.20 $496.56
02/06/2008 Purchase PURCHASE MURPHY6768@WAL-MAR 02/04 $3.99 $499.76
02/06/2008 Purchase PURCHASE MCDONALD’S F11422 02/05 $6.41 $503.75
02/06/2008 ATM WITHDRAWAL ATLANTIC BEACH CAUSEWA 02/06 $40.00 $510.16
02/06/2008 Purchase PURCHASE MURPHY6768@WAL-MAR 02/04 $48.01 $550.16
02/05/2008 Purchase PURCHASE MCDONALD’S F11422 02/04 $7.56 $598.17
02/05/2008 ATM WITHDRAWAL MITCHELL VILLAGE 02/04 $20.00 $605.73

February 8th, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Melissa says:

We invested over 1/2 a million dollars with First Union/Wachovia. We also had loans with that bank. Years of neglect on Wachovia’s part had a bad outcome on our investments. When our investemnts reached less than half of their original amount, Wachovia took ouur money out of the stockmarket and put it in a MONEY MARKET earning less than one percent. Now, mind you, we continued paying on all of our loans as agreed, but we were paying a point over prime. We complained and had a meeting with Wachovia. In this meeting, we were told by Wachovia that if we renewed our largest loan for another year, Wachovia would place our dwindling investments back into a higher yielding account. We agreed, hoping Wachovia would make good on all their promises. Nope! We continued to make our monthly payments and Wachovia refused to transfer the investments. Infact, Wachovia informed employees not to talk to us anymore. We were told that our “FILE’ had been pulled and they were not allowed to talk to us about our investments. WHAT? Not only had we spent another year of an average of $1,300 a month on “Interest only payments”, but our marriage began to suffer, too. Our business began to suffer. Our future was disappearing before us and we worked triple time to save it; everything else became “not as important” My husband took a job working on the road and I stayed home to take care of our business and family. I had just started my own business in a historic house I had recently restored. Of course, it had to fall to the way-side while we focused on making up for what Wachovia was loosing. When it came time to renew that largest loan again, my husband said “you still haven’t reinvested our portfolio” Wachovia went back into silent mode. Until a few months later when they decided to accelerate our loans and call them all due. They were nice enough to use the balance of our investments to pay the loans down. Not with our approval. Then to sue us for the balance.

February 18th, 2008 at 7:14 PM

ALEX FROM MIAMI says:

hey, wachovia_screwed is telling it like it is. reread his posts..i too have been charged like 5 overdraft fees in one day..and i had made a deposit the night before for well over the amount needed. Thanks a lot wachovia.. I also love how whenever i call customer service they tell me that there is nothign they can do or help me with.So what is the point of even having a phone number? I love you guys

February 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Zayne says:

People at the branches are so rude and so arrogant, but the people at the 800 number are great! I have called the 800 number before, and to date have been refunded over $2000 dollars in overdraught fees and theyve helped with several disputes… but the manager at a branch where i was traveling decided that i had a “at risk” credit profile because some joker hacked my paypal account, and she restrained my account and wants to have it closed. But, since thats not my branch and I have a positive balance she cant do shit, right?

March 8th, 2008 at 12:53 AM

Admiral says:

Wait….

Why in the hell do you people use banks? It seems like it is some unspoken law that you MUST use a bank. This makes no sense to me as I do not have anything to do with banks at all except to cash checks.

I truly do not understand why anyone would use a bank. Trusting anyone with your money is stupidity.

Stop using banks and get rid of all this stress.

March 10th, 2008 at 8:41 PM

gnomic says:

Wow. I use Wachovia and have had no trouble with them - at the branches or via phone. They did mess up a tax bill, but fixed it without complaint and paid the fine without me asking.

As for using a bank - I use several. My mother kept all her money in a box and lost lots of interest and investment opportunities. On the other hand, I’ve managed my money pretty well and have gone from eating government cheese to having several degrees, a home, cars, etc. without a lot of debt (except for the house payment)

Banks may be evil, but are a necessary evil and like many demons, they can be tamed and used. And I’m not stressed at all - in fact, I use my credit card and other reporting to ensure that I’m not stressed.

March 11th, 2008 at 7:57 AM

Admiral says:

Banks are not necessary.

Thats what I am getting at. Somewhere in your life you have determined (like a lot of other people) that banks are necessary. When in fact they are not. I do not use banks (except to cash checks) and I also do not use nor own any credit cards. If I want something then I save for it. If I do not have the cash then I do not buy the item. I will not pay the crazy interest rates charged by credit card companies. Nor will I fall prey to banks and credit card company fees.

And for investing you do not need a bank. The investments I make (precious metal certificates) can be purchased with cash or money order.

I too grew up on welfare and also in a single parent home. If anyone knows Roanoke they will know what the following means. I lived on Marshall Ave SW and went to Hurt Park Elementary. Both of which are in extremely bad areas of Roanoke.

I am now fully retired and live in the Hollins Area of Roanoke. I own my home and a car (single wide trailer and a 1999 Ford Taurus). I also have ZERO debt.

I think one of the main problems is that a lot of people consider social and economic status to be importunt. It is not. Who really cares? Does it really matter?

We are all born, live and die. The collection of material possessions is futile. The collection of wealth is also futile.

What is important (at least for me) is the time I spend with my loved ones. Cause in the end will you be more worried about how shiny your car is or how much your child knows you as someone who was there for them.

And if my errors in spelling and sentence structure irritate you then know that they were intentional. As I often write this way to piss off thoes who consider propper inglish to be important. It is not. If you read and (with a little intellegance) understand what I am saying then I consider myself speaking english.

ugh my spell checker is going nuts. ;-)

March 12th, 2008 at 9:58 AM

gnomic says:

I don’t disagree with you…but my wife does. And I’m kinda attached to her.

Debt isn’t a bad thing, as long as you manage it like any other investment. Debt should return a long term value.

I went into debt for both my degrees - both were good investments. Likewise for the cars - they enable me to get to my job at the lowest possible alternative cost (not on a bus route, etc). Sure, I could have spent less on the cars, but I bought one that met my typical needs, not the minimum. So far, I’m happy with the return on that investment.

Sure, I can dig myself into a hole by not managing my debt. But by managing it well, I’ve dug myself out of a lower class life and into a middle class one that offers me and my family more choices.

And I wouldn’t have a kid if I didn’t have the ability to time-shift my costs. They are an investment in my wife’s future as her family lives to the 100’s. Me? I’ll be dead long before that. So someone will have to be around to look for her.

And don’t worry about the spell checker. Mine burned out a long time ago…

March 12th, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Admiral says:

I count myself extremely lucky to have found a wife who agrees with my beliefs. In fact she was raised in a much lower income situation than me. I am guessing that our upbringing has conditioned us to believe in non materialism. Since we had little as children we thus expect little and can exist with what may seem to be less to the materialistic person.

I also do not see how degrees are a good investment. They may be a good financial investment in the long run, but I really do not envy the fact that you went into debt to get a degree then you were forced to work to pay those debts. A degree to me is almost like choosing slavery or at least indentured servitude.

I also do not understand the importance of class. Who cares what class someone considers you in? And how does what “class” someone is in change the amount of choices you have? Unless those choices are materialistic.

One good situation comes to mind. I was in my car with my kids and a guy in a shiny sports car stopped beside me at the light. He looked at me and smiled as if to say “Hey check out my nice shiny car”. After the light changed I noticed that he was on his way to work at ITT and I was on my way to the park to picnic and play with my kids.

March 12th, 2008 at 12:54 PM

gnomic says:

To each there own, man. I like my choices now much better than I did when I didn’t have money. Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure improves your bargining position. And I wasn’t “forced to work.” I like working. I like what I do (most days). My degree opened doors and has paid for itself several times over.

Choices? I can choose to take my wife oversees for a vacation. I can adopt another kid. I can send my kids to daycare and preschool so that he can learn more and have more choices than I do. I can - but have no desire to - get a fancy sports car if I want and pay cash or use credit. These choices may not interest you, but I like them.

I’m not knocking your choices - I’m glad you are happy with what you have. But I don’t think mine are all that bad. Its the people that use the banks to try and live beyone thier means that have troubles.

March 12th, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Admiral says:

You are correct. To each their own. I fully believe in this concept. I am quite sure that I do not make as much as you financially but as far as choices, I have the same ones as you.

I can choose to travel overseas take the wife and kids if I wished. I can even go today without having to notify anyone like a boss…

I could adopt a child but I have three naturally so that isn’t necessary. If me and the wife were unable to have kids we would no doubt adopt.

I could send my kids to daycare but I prefer to stay home with them as I see my time with them as more important and I also prefer to raise my kids myself and teach them myself rather that pay others to do it for me.

When I buy any car I pay cash for it. Aesthetics mean little to me. As long as it runs and passes inspection is about all I care about a car.

There is nothing wrong with your choices. We have the same ones. To each their own is a good way to live. It is how I see most of the world. Now if everyone in the world thought that way we would have peace. :-)

March 12th, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Death To Wachovia says:

Booooooo Wachovia, Hooooray ING Electric Orange!!!

March 17th, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Jenna says:

I can;t stand banking at Wachovia. If my husband wasn’t so addicted to using a bank in walking distance, I’d pull our money out and throw them a finger on the way out. Luckily, we’re moving soon and I will be able to do just that.

We have had endless problems with them, including them *accidentally* removing overdraft protection from our accounts. We have three in total. One of which has over $100,000. in it. Then, in one of our incidental checking accounts, they allowed a $1000. paper check to be cashed TWICE. That resulted in over $350 IN FEES. They only allowed us to recover about 30% because they “don’t know why” our over draft protection was removed. Oh, but the fact that their MISTAKE caused the over draft… well, you know. It’s wachovia.

Morons.

April 15th, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Admiral says:

Trusting others with your money is folly. You think they made a mistake in taking your money? Doubtful. It isn’t just Wachovia (”Watch over ya” as I call it as in watch over ya money and take it little by little) it’s all banks. They are businesses. They are in business to make money not to care about their customers. Long gone are the old days where people had personal friendships with local bank workers. Today they couldn’t care less about you no matter if you have 100,000 in their bank or 1.00.

April 15th, 2008 at 4:49 PM

richie mcrich rich says:

The life of commoners is so interesting. Nah I’m just screwing with you guys. Seriously though my friend owns a Wachovia account and he O/Ds a lot because they always screw up on his transactions. The bottom line is Wachovia is on of the worst banks there is period. No if, ands, or buts about it. We should all just take our business to B.O.A. I dont really have any problems with them. LOL

June 16th, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Andre says:

Well I agree with everyone that Wachovia does suck, but……hmmmmmmm…..wow there is no buts. Wachovia SUCKS. Well thats my little comment added. Bye guys

June 16th, 2008 at 7:39 PM

gnomic says:

I’ve had a Wachovia account since 2004 and haven’t had a complaint. The screwed up once and fixed it immediately.

Mom always said I was special.

June 16th, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Wachovia Hater says:

Ah Wachovia, boy what a racket. I was just informed that they have a federal license to stick it to me. ie, about ten transactions were listed on sunday night as in process were supplanted by a larger check presented to the bank on Monday which invoked, instead of one NSF charge, but twelve to the tune of $420.00. Now, I executed a “stop payment” on Sunday night in an online form which conveniently goes from a computer application to an email inbox requiring human intervention that may or may not be monitored. The stop payment request has disappeared - shocker.

July 1st, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Come on people... says:

I cannot even believe how many people can’t take accountability for their own lack of record keeping.. And to those of you who had checks bounce for legitimate bank errors, or “holding of cash transactions” or the like, then this is NOT directed at you. That being said, remember that the tellers inputting the information are human. There will always be some degree of human error in everything - I’m sure we’ve all made innocent errors. It’s HOW THE ERROR IS RECTIFIED on the other hand that defines what sort of organization you are dealing with. To the rest of you - KEEP TRACK OF WHAT YOU SPEND. Really. It isn’t that difficult. I know they don’t teach basic budgeting in school, and they really really should.. but writing down debits in your check register isn’t hard. Is it a pain? Yes, it can be. But that’s part of being a grown up. Stop complaining about the world being SOO against you. Banks SHOULD charge overdraft fees if you act irresponsibly.

July 15th, 2008 at 4:45 PM

www.wachovialied.com says:

I can not believe that there are still people out there that can justify Wachovia! Hello…..their leader was fired (allowed to resign with benefits) for LYING (being dishonest). Wachovia has grown so quickly by lying to its customers. Add it up, $35.00 for every returned check and Wachovia controls the number of NSF’s. Granted, a percent does come from customer error, but I am sure that it would be a small portion. If you were the banker and a liar and greedy, couldn’t you manipulate the FORMULA of BANKING to satisfy your needs? No? Well Wachovia can and did and still is! We are the perfect example of how those (bad word, starts with an “F”) can do as they please and refuse to acknowledge their faults. In fact, if Wachovia is notified of possible wrong doings, they fire the employee (allow the employee to resign) and then refuse to admit guilt. Don’t be fooled, just because you believe thousands of people are wrong and Wachovia is filled with cherubs, given the chance, Wachovia would be more than happy to stick it to you! Wachovia sucks at customer service, where ever in the hell that is now.

July 17th, 2008 at 2:48 PM

www.wachovialied.com says:

aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Hey Wachovia, do you even care? Now is the time to show some remorse. What the He!!? Read what your customers are saying!!!!!!!! Stop wasting money on b.s. adds that come from some random advertising guru’s head! Stop screwing us or face the consequences of bad banking; no customers. We may not each have lots of money but collectively, we represent a lot of money. How about your next add say something like…”Hey America, we decided that we would like to stay in business so how about we make some changes in how we conduct that business, Changes that may make the playing field a little more even.” Surely Wachovia can stay in business without lying and cheating. If not then get the he!! out of here. We deserve so much more than what you have to offer. Roll with the punches and stop using us as your ladder to the top we are tired of it! And one more thing, my friend is pretty upset about you transferring the $23.00 to her savings account for each transaction, however, because she was .37 (thirty seven cents) overdrawn after those $23 you so generously transferred from her checking account, she bounced 18 transactions. It cost her $630.00 for a thirty seven cent error. Couldn’t you have just bounced the $23.00 transfer and charged her $35.00 once? That is ridiculous. And is that the best you have? Give us a break.

July 17th, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Bank Employee says:

I work for a bank. I like paying my mortgage, so I won’t say which one, because corp comm depts monitor these types of sites (believe it or not). Moreover, my perspective is limited to my own experience with those with whom I work, so take this for what’s it’s worth. (Boy, all the disclaimer makes me sound and feel like a banker!

From an individual employee’s perspective, we want to make the lives of our customers better. There are sometimes obstacles over which we can’t hurdle when it comes to reversing fees, or countermanding bank policy. Call me “Polly Anna”, but I must believe that most feel the same way. That’s not to discredit negative experience that has certainly happened. But, my advice is this: If you receive poor service, or if a person doens’t treat you with respect, whether they reverse a fee or not, change banks.

August 22nd, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Confused & Pissed says:

1. Always make your deposits through the financial specialists. They may have someone in their office when you come in, and you may have to wait a few minutes or even ten or twenty, but you’ll get what you want. Depending on your account selections, financial stability and how much you normally carry in your account on a regular basis (your minimum balance) choose accounts that open the doors to minimal or no fees, with unlimited financial specialist meetings, if you can’t find one, bitch to get the $2.00 fee removed every time by that specialist if they are going to charge one.

2. Find out who the regional manager is. After your first visit with the financial specialist on your way back to the office or on your way back to work or home, call and leave him or her a message about the great customer service you get from that specific specialist. This is just networking and securing your personal finances.

3. Keep track of any fees. Any fees you have been charged in a 90 day period, speak to “your” financial specialist about having them removed as you were not informed of the information when you signed up for your account. Sure they handed you a fifty page booklet that only financial brokers can understand, but you couldn’t get a straight answer about fee’s from customer service.

4. Take advantage of the “I’m a regular” situation. Call them by their first names and have their numbers and their supervisor’s numbers on speed dial. If a problem comes up ever, call your financial specialist and get them to fix it.

5. If it means bitching and moaning about fee’s. Talk in their language. Tell them that the amount that they have charged you in fee’s would have earned you X number of dollars over 20 years in your “Other banks” IRA or CD account. They will ask about moving those funds to Wachovia, they do it every time, say that with the way your finances are played with you don’t want their logo on your financial portfolio.

6. Bull shit everything, and make every minor issue an emergency. They will talk about you when you leave as my wife and I tested. We walked in separately knowing that I was making my weekly deposit through the specialist and once I was done getting my 11.00 dollar transfer fee refunded and a 2.00 consultation fee refunded again and every month, the minute I left, their eyes rolled and they chatted in their offices shaking their heads and pulling out their hair. So far I’ve saved a total of 86 dollars in fees that were positively part of my agreement.

7. Take advantage of the fact that they are a huge financial institution and can handle a few billion a year in lost fees as they have multi-millionaires who can accommodate the losses with out a second thought. They need to manage their money, not mine…

August 27th, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Confused & Pissed says:

Just an additional piece of information which if I wasn’t a freak about information security, I would have all my information available to all of you to see the stupidity of Wachovia. Make a deposit before 2:00pm on any day of the week. Unless you CASH IT FIRST there is no promise of any of those funds being available to you any time soon. Between 2:00pm & 4:00pm you can make your deposits at the ATM to give you one additional option should you run unto problems getting into the branch before 2:00pm, but keep in mind that you need to cash your check firs before you deposit it to have just a bit more confidence in it being there when you need it. Confirm before you leave the bank that your money is in your account and available. If it’s Friday who cares what time it is, take cash with you for the weekend as WHEN, not if, the teller screws up your funds will not be available until Tuesday morning between 12:00 mindight and 7:00am or 7:30am depending on the customer service person you talk to (or 10:00pm, the newest random number I’ve been provided). Don’t bother calling customer service all weekend as if the teller screwed up they can’t even view your deposit until it processes through. I guess they just haven’t stolen enough money for highspeed internet, they must be using some kind of pony carier service.
Get reciepts for everything multiples if possible. They will take you for everything you have if your income is under 100,000 and if you have an income that exceeds 250000 and a mortgage account through one of their brokers, be confident that you’ll probable get offered so many financial option for free that the normal household income will require thousands of dollars spread accross multiple accounts to even qualify for.
Always verify BEFORE you make your deosit or sign anything that the teller knows that you have to have your money in your account today. If your like many americans with a normal car that eats your $4.00 a gallon into ablivion, you need access to money on a constant basis. Not tuesday through friday.
Scream and yell and bitch and moan at the brance, over the phone all you get is the statement they are trained for many hours and hours to say, we are sorry and we appologize for the inconvienience.

August 27th, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Confused & Pissed says:

Gabriel Gonzales - Financial Center Manager - 9000 Patterson Ave Financial Center Richmond Virginia 23229 (804) 750-2210 - Never worked with this one yet but he is in fact a manager who you may be able to call and get the answers you want. Everyone needs to realize that this is business. If you could walk into a mcdonals and get the service of a Morton’s Steak House for the Mcdonalds price, there is no one in the country other than vegetarians that wouldn’t be there on a nightly basis. We all want more for less as Walmart would say. So go out there and be a business person when it comes to your money. Take all that you can get and make sure that your money is doing what it should, going into your account, and hold them responsible for thier lies.

August 27th, 2008 at 2:43 AM

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