Right-wing blogs: Let’s make up stuff about the AP

Published 12/19/06

This is funny.

An AP reporter in Iraq, Qais Al-Bashir, wrote a story about Shiites burning Sunnis alive. Conservative bloggers, who hate the AP and the media in general for daring to report what’s actually happening there, called into question a source for that story — and indeed a source for a lot of AP stories: Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein.

But a US military officer and an Iraqi official said that Hussein was not an authorized spokesman. Then, suddenly, they claimed he didn’t exist at all. Despite the absurdity of that switcheroo, the bloggers decided that the AP must be lying and started to raise a fuss.

Their “evidence”? The AP’s statement on the whole pile of nonsense (they called it a “news release,” although it wasn’t) was different on the AP’s site and in the version printed by USA Today. Then, apparently, the AP site changed so it was identical to USAT’s.

How is this evidence? Easy: They simply assigned motives to the AP for the difference!

In posts with titles like “AP Covering Its Tracks,” they implied that the AP made the change because it was backtracking — that it had lost confidence in parts of its statement.

They have no evidence for this; they just like to believe that something nefarious is going on. Maybe the wording changed because the guy who is supposed to approve things like that was out of the office, and requested the change when he returned. Maybe they shortened it to focus on key points. Maybe some idiot uploaded the wrong version.

Maybe if you asked the AP why the change was made, someone would tell you.

Nah. Instead, the right-wingers conveniently ignored all but the one possibility they liked best. Without evidence.

Here’s an excerpt from the AP statement:

Some of AP’s critics question the existence of police Capt. Jamil Hussein, who was one (but not the only) source to tell us about the burning.

These critics cite a U.S. military officer and an Iraqi official who first said Hussein is not an authorized spokesman and later said he is not on their list of Interior Ministry employees. It’s worth noting that such lists are relatively recent creations of the fledgling Iraqi government.

By contrast, Hussein is well known to AP. We first met him, in uniform, in a police station, some two years ago. We have talked with him a number of times since then and he has been a reliable source of accurate information on a variety of events in Baghdad.

No one – not a single person – raised questions about Hussein’s accuracy or his very existence in all that time. Those questions were raised only after he was quoted by name describing a terrible attack in a neighborhood that U.S. and Iraqi forces have struggled to make safe.

Note that none of the bloggers calling this into question is actually there, or has spoken to anyone. All their “reporting” is based on reading statements from the AP and the US military.

Some go even further by making up false charges against the AP and then getting people to discuss them as if they’re real.

Confederate Yankee, a right-wing extremist, has a perfect example in an amusing post entitled, “Absurdly Unethical: The Potential Ethics Case Against AP.”

Note the word “potential.” That’s there because he has made up the ethics violations.

The entire post is based on this sentence:

But what happens if it is determined that Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is not the name of AP’s long-running source? What if it is a pseudonym?

It then goes on to quote various journalism sources about the use of pseudonyms.

But wait. Where did the concept of “Jamil Gholaiem Hussein” being a pseudonym come from? Why, from Confederate Yankee. In other words, he has fabricated a possible charge against the AP, then asked people to comment on it as if it’s real.

It’s as if I wrote, without any evidence, “What if Confederate Yankee kicks puppies? I asked police and animal welfare experts about it…”

The trick is to focus people on the fact that you’re quoting experts, and get them to forget that what those experts are talking about has no basis in reality. (I strongly doubt that CY kicks puppies.) Soon enough they think your assertions were true.

Can you imagine a real journalist publishing a story that consists of people’s reactions to a fabrication? “I’m not saying that Bill Gates is a mass murderer, but if he was, what would the police do about it?”

It’s like a twisted version of OJ Simpson’s “If I Did It” — it’s “If They Did It.”

I wonder what the ethics experts CY quoted would think of that.

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The Albatross says:

Funny Andrew, is people like you who would rather tout the all hallowed AP line than pause to consider the facts as they are presented in EU, Little Green Footballs, Ace of Spades, Allah, Flopping Aces, and Confederate Yankee.

Before chortling and entertaining your audience with your sadly predictable drivel you might want to go to honestreporting.com. They don’t seem to share your view about the AP… seeing as how “Green Helmet” has been named the 2006 Most Dishonest “Reporter” of the Year. However much you sneer at volunteer citizens who choose to reflect back and even dare to question our heretofore mega media outlets… it is they who have seized the day.

December 20th, 2006 at 10:09 AM

The Albatross says:

Not one to pass up a slap at MSM…. check out the sensationalism and disinformation Jawa found in a Reuters article:
“U.S. soldiers’ suicide rate in Iraq doubles in 2005″

Money quote, buried deep, deep into the story:

While every suicide was one too many, Kiley said, the suicide rate among soldiers was lower than the average among civilians of the same age and gender.

Doh!

December 20th, 2006 at 10:24 AM

Dorene says:

Having not read any of the websites that you mentioned, Albatross, I just want to note that I would hate to have to tell someone those sites you mentioned to anyone in real life, particularly those who do not spend a lot of time on the internet.

Them: “So where did you hear about that subject you were just speaking about?”
Me: “Little Green Footballs.”
Them: “Excuse me?”
Me: “And flopping aces.”

Yeah, that really makes me sound like I have a clue. *chuckles* Wish some of these blog sites had better names. (I happen to think kantor.com is a sensible name for this one, btw.)

Okay, then, carry on with the argument at hand. :)

December 20th, 2006 at 2:57 PM

Andrew says:

The facts presented at those sites form a nice circle — that is, they all refer to one another. It’s the same stuff, rehashed.

The AP has screwed up, probably plenty. Ditto Reuters, Gannett, Knight-Ridder, and every newspaper in the country. Sites that go looking for errors will always find them, big or small. And that’s fine. But to assign motive to those errors (if they exist) without evidence — then they lose any credibility.

A real journalist might think he knows why Person X did such-and-such, but without evidence he would never write it. But these bloggers are more interested in finding any kind of fault they can with the MSM, reality be damned.

Not only do I not have a problem with “amateurs” policing the accuracy of news reports, I think it’s long overdue and a very good thing. But too many of these sites don’t care about the truth; they care about finding some way — any way — to make the MSM look bad.

Journalism is about finding what happened, not about rampant, evidence-free speculation. And that’s why these bloggers aren’t journalists.

December 20th, 2006 at 3:16 PM

The Albatross says:

Ahem. I don’t believe I called them “journalists”. The evidence they have is that captions/article content/photos are being edited after the fact without a printed retraction. That, for a journalist, would be unethical. I say thank God that someone is trying to scrutinize the hogslop that is being printed for the masses. Too damn bad the self professed elitist journalism professionals havent seen fit to do it themselves.

For Doreen… sort of a who’s who of who’s out there… and over a half million votes were counted for the 2006 weblogs Awards this year get used to funny names because it’s those who don’t have to bear the burden of corporate helmsmanship who are prodding the MSM to get back to responsible reporting.
http://truthlaidbear.com/ecosystem.php

December 20th, 2006 at 3:27 PM

The Albatross says:

Yikes… sorry. I meant Dorene.

P.S. Pot? Meet kettle. I can’t believe you Kantor… you are stupifying in your deft assessment of my references to right wing weblogs. These weblogs travel together because we all read the same feeds. You however, being the professional and all, must hate like hell having the story be 3 or more days old before you feel “safe” enough to write about it. I see you content yourself by traveling in circles too…to bad you can’t avoid self indulgent pontifications long enough to revel in diversity.

December 20th, 2006 at 3:34 PM

Andrew says:

Good point. There’s nothing as much fun as reading a half-dozen right-wing blogs all hat-tipping one another for writing essentially the same stuff. ;-)

December 20th, 2006 at 3:40 PM

Andrew says:

From Joseph Rago in The Wall Street Journal:

We rarely encounter sustained or systematic blog thought–instead, panics and manias; endless rehearsings of arguments put forward elsewhere; and a tendency to substitute ideology for cognition. The participatory Internet, in combination with the hyperlink, which allows sites to interrelate, appears to encourage mobs and mob behavior.

December 20th, 2006 at 4:21 PM

Bob Owens says:

When I saw your link to my site on Technorati and then read this post, it took me a few minutes to figure out who you were, and then it dawned on me: Andrew Kantor… isn’t that the name of the guy that wrote a factually inaccurate September 7 op-ed in USA and refused to correct it, even after I asked you on your blog to issue corrections for several factual inaccuracies you made in that post? Why yes it is, and yes, you are.

More than three months later, the editorial remains unchanged. Apparently, you don’t think reporting the facts are all that important if they get in the way of your narrative. I see things haven’t changed much.

As for your current screed, I find it depressingly typical that you do not even pay lip service to an honest discussion of the multiple, serious problems with the AP’s story. They claimed 24 people were murdered, including six pulled out of one mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned alive, in terrorist attacks on four mosques in Baghdad. It has now been three weeks, and the AP has provided zero physical evidence that a single soul has died, and has not produced any evidence that these four mosques were rocketed, machine gunned and burned as they claimed.

Quite to the contrary of the AP’s story, the Iraqi Ministries of Defense, Health, and Interior have all officially stated that three of the four “blown up” mosques bear no sign of having ever been attacked at all. A fourth suffered minor fire damage from a molotov cocktail, but that was quickly extinguished by a local fire company. According to authorities, they can find no evidence that so much as a single civilian was wounded or killed, much less burned alive.

Of the AP’s sources for the story, one, the Association of Muslim Scholars, is known to have ties to the Sunni insurgency. The AP declined to mention this fact in their report. The AP has refused to retract their published but never investigated claim made by the AMS, that 18 people died in an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque. Iraqi Army patrols that came to the neighborhood that afternoon insist the mosque was never under attack, much less “an inferno” where 18 people burned to death.

You would think that a real series of terrorist attacks that slaughtered 24 people, including 6 burned alive, would generate some physical evidence, if only pictures. Three weeks into the controversy, the AP has managed to send reporters back to Hurriyah multiple times to interview anonymous sources, but to date, can’t seem to find a single $4.00 disposable camera to shoot pictures of the burned mosques to prove even part of their claim.

Another source, a local Sunni elder, retracted his claim shortly after it was published,and the primary source for the story, Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein, has simply disappeared, never to be cited again by AP or found by another living soul in the three weeks since the initial story broke. This long-running AP source, “known” for two years and cited in 61 stories since April of this year, it turns out, has been refuted by the Iraqi police. He has never worked for them as a police officer, at any rank.

To all of these problems with the AP’s story, for all of their inability to substantiate a single on their claims with even a shred of factual evidence, Andrew Kantor turns his back. Once again, reporting the facts comes in a distant second to promoting his preferred mocking narrative.

Why was I thinking about “hypothetical” pseudonyms?

It could be, Andrew, that I might have had good reason.

December 20th, 2006 at 4:45 PM

The Albatross says:

Link: http://www.bettnet.com/blog/index.php/weblog/comments/complaining_about_blogs_again/

Dominico Benitti Jr’s comments on Rago’s hyperspew:
“I’ll only note in passing the irony that this was posted on OpinionJournal.com, the Wall Street Journal’s own home for its blogs and other opinion writing gathered in one place precisely to feed the voracious appetite of blogs.

But Joseph Rago’s failing is in his sweeping generalizations of all blogs, which is comparable to decrying the quality of the print media while lumping in the WSJ with the local high school newspaper. Not all blogs are of equal quality. Neither do they have to be. Some are mere diaries of those who know they are not great writers and do not aspire to be, while others are serious works of much studiousness on weighty matters.

As for the charge that blogging is not journalism, it is the rare blogger who claims that it is, even among those who are in fact bloggers and journalists. That’s not to say that journalists do not do original reporting. The Dan Rather memogate story comes to mind or the Reuters “fauxtography” story. See a common denominator there? Yes, reporting on the journalists. But there’s other kinds of original reporting as well. On my own blog, with the help of several readers, I broke the story of a problematic USCCB appointment. Fr. John Zuhlsdorf is a regular source of inside information on events at the Vatican. But, again, that doesn’t have to be the case. Who said blogs can’t offer opinion and analysis?

Rago’s chief complaint seems to be that the immediacy of the medium is its chief fault. He decries the now-public disclosure of those thoughts once kept to oneself in the form of “Here’s my opinion, right now.” But again he contrasts this with traditional journalism as if they were meant to be the same thing. They are not. While blogs can and do sometimes do original reporting–another example would be those bloggers like Michael Fumento and Bill Roggio who have embedded themselves among the troops in Iraq at their own expense–in fact Rago, like many others before him, are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Blogging is a new kind of public expression. It’s not like journalism, where the barrier for entry is high and the standards are (supposed to be) even higher. Most mainstream journalists have resources most bloggers would never dream of having, the first being time–there are few full-time bloggers.

But rather than comparing them to newspapers, he should compare them to virtual barrooms or social clubs, where one fellow reads an article in the day’s paper and expounds about it out loud to his neighbors. They may join in or ignore him as they choose. Sometimes the discourse is raucous. Sometimes is thoughtful. Sometimes it’s downright bizarre. Blogging allows anyone to join in, no matter where they are or what their class or economic status. I’ve seen blogging law professors speak approvingly of blogging truck drivers and blogging corporate executives engage with blogging soccer moms. A blogging cardinal regularly responds to blogging folks in the pew (and even those who darken no church door). The Internet is the great leveler. If you have a computer and Internet access you can blog. You’re not guaranteed and audience, but you’re virtually guaranteed the opportunity.

What’s to complain about that? “

December 20th, 2006 at 5:18 PM

The Albatross says:

:0p

December 20th, 2006 at 5:24 PM

Andrew says:

Bob, you forgot to mention that you have it on good authority that I kick puppies.

December 20th, 2006 at 5:35 PM

The Albatross says:

There there Andrew…. something tells me that somewhere beneath that tough lefty demeanor there lurks a little boy who’s just as cute as a button on a Christmas sweater. *grin*

December 20th, 2006 at 5:43 PM

Andrew says:

Oh, and Bob, I love how you assert that I “wrote a factually inaccurate September 7″ piece as if it was unquestioned truth. It’s not.

It’s funny how you will challenge information from some biased sources (e.g., the Association of Muslim Scholars), but will happily accept the information from other biased sources (e.g., U.S.-controlled Iraqi ministries).

In other words, from your point of view, the word of people who support your point of view is good, but the word of those who don’t is not, even though I’d wager you’ve never met anyone involved. Considering that your source for all of this is the evil mainstream media, it’s hard to take you seriously.

You say that I “turn my back” on the fact that the AP doesn’t feel like spending its time refuting a group of right-wing extremists. And as usual, you take being ignored by the mainstream media as some kind of admission of guilt on its part, when it might simply be that the AP doesn’t think you worth the time.

December 20th, 2006 at 5:48 PM

Andrew says:

Albatross,

1. Funny, I’m a lot more right-leaning than you think. :)

2. Darned right I look cute.

December 20th, 2006 at 5:50 PM

The Albatross says:

Truth should not be fiction.
News should not be fiction.

Deja Vu…. shame on you Andrew. What is it with you and the contention that a journalist has the levity to be factually inaccurate and that it is not necessary to post a correction, a retraction, or an acknowledged revision for the benefit of the public audience?

December 20th, 2006 at 5:56 PM

The Albatross says:

When the product of the AP has more merit than the service it is said to provide, the AP has stopped being a news service and begun making widgets for the highest petro dollar bidders.

So much money…. so little time (to correctly edit or even report responsibly).

December 20th, 2006 at 6:00 PM

greyrat says:

Hang on guys! I’m out of popcorn.

OK, I’m back. Lay on again!

Damn. This is way funnier than what’s on TV…

December 20th, 2006 at 6:15 PM

The Albatross says:

Something to read while Greyrat munches the popped corn (caution Archived AP Bias alert):

http://spinswimming.blogspot.com/2004/09/ap-bias-strikes-again.html
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/mainscream_medi.html
http://www.yourish.com/category/ap-media-bias/
http://newsbusters.org/node/9684
http://www.rightwinged.com/2006/08/green_helmet_admits_pimping_de.html

Damn it Kantor… I didn’t have to even furrow my brow to find these. Doubtless many many more where these came from.

Give a shout out for the TRUTH (if you can find it)!

December 20th, 2006 at 7:31 PM

The Albatross says:

Joke of the day…. John Kerry in Damascus…. egads. SYRIA!!! IF YOU ARE READING THIS… PLEASE KEEP HIM. WILL YOU TAKE THE MRS. TOO?

December 20th, 2006 at 7:43 PM

gnomic says:

Being trapped in a hotel room over the holidaze, I had the painful opportunity to watch all the news netwerks (CNN, MSNBS, FOX) spew forth about the Denver blizzard, Miss USA, and the Rosie O’Donnel/Donald Trump spat. I wouldn’t be holding up Journalism as a hallowed profession based on what I saw. Opinion, Drivel, salatious pictures and innuendo, and ZERO news contect. One of the channels reported 5000 trapped at the airport while the newsticker showed 3000.

And who cares what the right wingers are spewing? Never argue with a foolish idiot; you just look foolish and you don’r accomplish anything. Evolution is slow, but it eventually takes care of the problem. They will eventually go the way of the Dodo.

December 21st, 2006 at 4:17 PM

gnomic says:

Being trapped in a hotel room over the holidaze, I had the painful opportunity to watch all the news netwerks (CNN, MSNBS, FOX) spew forth about the Denver blizzard, Miss USA, and the Rosie O’Donnel/Donald Trump spat. I wouldn’t be holding up Journalism as a hallowed profession based on what I saw. Opinion, Drivel, salatious pictures and innuendo, and ZERO news contect. One of the channels reported 5000 trapped at the airport while the newsticker showed 3000.

And who cares what the right wingers are spewing? Never argue with a foolish idiot; you just look foolish and you don’r accomplish anything. Evolution is slow, but it eventually takes care of the problem. They will eventually go the way of the Dodo.

December 21st, 2006 at 4:18 PM

Bob Owens says:

Oh, and Bob, I love how you assert that I “wrote a factually inaccurate September 7″ piece as if it was unquestioned truth. It’s not.

I wrote the post you ascribed to Charles Johnson, that is 100% a factual error, due to shoddy research on your part. That is the truth, though in your mind, it is certainly unquestioned.

December 21st, 2006 at 4:20 PM

Andrew says:

Gnomic: That’s what happens when you get your news from the TV. ;-)

December 21st, 2006 at 4:22 PM

The Albatross says:

Evolution may very well be slow… but the problem with left wing whines are that they are ineffectual and don’t have a platform other than “We’re not George Bush”.

A Christmas Gift for Andrew from WuzzaDem:

http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2006/12/bloggers_vs_ap.html

December 22nd, 2006 at 9:01 AM

Leland says:

Awww, Andrew… The TV crack was down right mean. :(

December 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 AM

Avettereare says:

You don’t really need or want that lifestyle, it might hurt y’all slowly more…….Just tell him you
don’t wanna repeat something your not too proud of z7uas.

October 30th, 2007 at 3:12 PM

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