National City Mortgage: The incompetence continues

Published 4/8/08

Wow, I can see why National City is going under. As you may recall, not too long ago I filled out an online form asking about what options were available to me to reduce my monthly mortgage payments. Instead, National City took that request for info and turned it into an application to begin short-selling my house.

With all that finally straightened out, I finally did apply for either the short-sell or “deed-in-lieu” options.

I filled out the same online form again (you can’t resubmit it), and sent it in.

Yesterday I receive a letter from National City Mortgage asking for “additional information.” What additional information? The same stuff that was in the online application.

They don’t want additional information; they want the same stuff all over again.

The form they sent has some of the field populated, but — despite the fact that I filled them in — most are blank or incorrect. (!)

Further, although they sent this form to my correct address, the mailing address listed on the form is incorrect.

Amazing. I can’t understand how this company can stay in business when its computer systems are so poorly designed and/or integrated.

So I called the 800 number to speak to a person. I get through and am told (by a human), “Our systems are down. Can you please call back after 1:00?”

Yeah, sure.

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gnomic says:

Banks are notoriously bad at IT and it doesn’t surprise me that one that is going down the tubes isn’t investing any money to fix problems. They probably are letting the expensive (read experienced, knowledgeable) people go too, so no one is getting trained or knows how to get problems fixed.

This is what an economic meltdown looks like. Its too late for your mortgage, but make sure you are banking at the larger institutions. Because the smaller ones are beginning to “fail” and will be gobbled up by the larger ones. Your money is “safe” (as much as it can be while this administration destroys the economy), but you might want to pick which bank gets your money in the long run.

Chase, BOA, Wachovia, Suntrust, Wells Fargo, Capital One, and others in the top 15 of market share are the ones to stick with if you want to avoid problems later. Or stick with credit unions if they meet your needs, but they are going to have problems with new mortgages over the next year or so.

April 8th, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Admiral says:

Here is what you do: Take all of your money out of any bank and if you wanna actually have your money work for you (which is wise) then you invest in precious metals or other such market. Gold is looking better as it nears the 1,000$ per ounce mark you see a sell off from people who don’t know better thus making the price drop. So, buy gold and keep the rest to yourself for daily/bill needs. Banks are crap. And don’t buy gold at more than 950 per ounce.

And don’t forget a money run will make everyones money disappear. If you have your money in a bank hope that never happens.

The current US economy has all the makings of another great depression. Liquidity is key.

April 8th, 2008 at 12:57 PM

gnomic says:

And the trick to buying gold is to have some money to buy it. Short selling a house makes little sense if you have the money to keep it.

Its like a cartoon I saw yesterday of people sitting on the lawn of their foreclosed home noting that its a wonderful opportunity to buy stocks right now…

April 9th, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Admiral says:

actually short selling makes sense. to me at least. Why not sell when you can rather than wait for the market to get better which could take years. the reason for a short sale is that he owes more for the home than it is worth, thats the meaning of a short sell. on the other hand why pay for something that he is not using. perhaps he could rent it. but then you have issues with tennents, repairs etc…

I say sell the home if you do not need it. Do not place hopes on something that has too many uncertainties like renting it out.

But honestly its his money and if he enjoys throwing it away thats his choice. Not trying to sound condescending but really, why are you paying for this home?

April 9th, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Admiral says:

something i need to add to answer gnomic. If he sold the home then he would have money from his monthly mortgage that would be free to buy gold or whatever else he wants. So, selling the home would free up money he could invest and not selling the home would mean that he would just be throwing his money away.

And to put another perspective on your cartoon you can look at it as perhaps they are short selling their home and now will have free money to invest in stocks.

April 9th, 2008 at 9:26 PM

tommy says:

gloom and doom, man.

buying gold sounds a little archaic, I don’t think it’s that bad yet, but if it is, dude, you’re in VA, buy a gun. And where you gonna keep all that gold if you don’t own a house? Who’s gonna buy it if the shit really hits the fan and you need cash?

why bother short selling. stop paying and let it be foreclosed. it’s no worse than filing for bankruptcy really, now is it?

it may make it hard to buy a home in the next few years but really: nobody’s buying right now, so short-selling ain’t gonna get you anywhere. my neighbor’s had his place on the market since october 2006 and has come down from $330 to $201. He’s now way short selling and is just looking to get out of it without using the ‘f’ word, but nobody’s buying. I’m starting to think I should buy the place to keep the riff-raff out (the price is coming down to the point where the rent might just pay the mortgage…).

either keep paying in the hopes that this (economy) will turn around before you’re broke, or keep paying cause you think it’s the right thing to do, but if it’s sucking out your life, how bad is it gonna be to just walk away and keep renting for a few years?

anyway, that’s not the point. the point is banks are notorious for having incredibly ancient computer systems. banks and air traffic control. scary shit.

April 12th, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Admiral says:

tommy makes little sense. buying gold archaic? no. if the shit really hits the fan then the gold that you buy will be worth much more, and the paper money you have will be next to worthless. so have all the pieces of paper you want. Gold is the best liquid asset as it is easily bought and sold throughout the world without question. And as paper currencies drop, gold only rises in value.

And being a good American I own a few guns.

And I also fully own my own home.

Also short sale is better on your credit than foreclosure or bankruptcy.

But you are correct that most institutions have archaic computer systems. No surprise there.

April 12th, 2008 at 10:49 AM

tommy says:

banks are the main reason cobol still exists.

of course it’s better to short sell than to take bankruptcy or foreclosure on your record. but in a market where nobody’s buying existing homes, short selling may not be an option.

April 14th, 2008 at 8:11 AM

Admiral says:

“banks are the main reason cobol still exists.”

True that and AS/400 OMG ANCHENT HISTORIEZ!!

Someone will buy the home. No doubt a mortgage company who has the resources to make it profitable.

Nothing like buying a home and getting someone into another mortgage for 30 years.

30 YEARS!!!!!

ugh

April 14th, 2008 at 9:03 AM

gnomic says:

A good story about putting your money in gold (second page): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24073367/

April 14th, 2008 at 9:07 AM

tommy says:

whether or not a short sell will happen depends on how short you’re willing to sell and on the market.

in phoenix people ain’t buying houses. if that neighbor i mentioned wants to unload the joint, he’s gonna have to short sell by like $100k. i dunno - to me losing that much (and having to cough it up) would sting more than a foreclosure or bankruptcy.

maybe they should make guns out of gold… feh - then you’d never be able to carry them around.

April 14th, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Admiral says:

It is a good story on buying gold. It is also common sense. Buy low and sell high sums it all up nicely. The article has confirmed all I have said about buying gold. As for the moment you should wait if you can as gold prices go higher (as I have said before) people will sell their gold and thus lower the price as the stockpile of available gold rises.

Just to make it a bit simpler: The best time to buy gold is when the US dollar is high. The best time to sell gold is when the US Dollar is low.

The US dollar is doing bad right now so it is a time to sell some gold you have if you want. Or hold that gold for the long term. Now in a few years gold pricing will be much lower as the US dollar makes a rebound. Thus lowering the demand for gold and thus lowering the price for gold making it a great time to buy.

Right now I would not buy gold unless you are planning on holding that gold for more than 5 years.

April 14th, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Admiral says:

“maybe they should make guns out of gold… feh - then you’d never be able to carry them around.”

Like these?

http://www.midwestguns.com/images/gold_gun_2.gif

http://bp3.blogger.com/_eOvi3fbI-Ao/RngE94gy4HI/AAAAAAAAAXI/10YtHNug3xw/s1600-h/elvis+presley

Elvis owned the last one.

A solid gold gun is impractical as the metal is too soft and too heavy to be a useful gun.

April 14th, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Andrew says:

Sorry for not weighing in sooner — been sick. Now…

Short-selling is a very good option. I spoke to our Realtor first thing. The house is currently listed at about $190K.

I did the math for the short-sell option and came up with a figure of about $150K — that’s what we’d have to sell for to cover the short sale.

“How long would it take you to sell it for 150 thousand?” I asked.

She laughed. “At that price I could sell it in a day.” Reason: There are plenty of buyers, but they all want a bargain. Without one, they’re willing to wait. If we give them one, though, they’ll jump.

National City already made an offer of an 83 percent short sale, but I wasn’t ready to take it. A week later, though, they “forgot” that offer (that’s bank’s computers for you) and have to go through the whole process again. So I’m waiting for them to get their act together.

April 15th, 2008 at 6:55 AM

Admiral says:

Right on. 83% is a good deal at this time. The current market is more than likely to decrease so getting 83% now is much better then 75% later. She is right that she could probably sell it quickly at that price as it is a buyers market for those who have the money such as mortgage companies. Gotta love the win win situation for them (sarcasm).

I hope you hold no regrets for short selling your unused home. In your shoes I would have done the same thing. If the market continues the way it is then money will be tighter on us all for the next few years at least until the US dollar makes a comeback which will take time. Not to mention oil pricing. I am placing hope in a new democratic administration beginning next year.

April 15th, 2008 at 12:21 PM

tommy says:

that house is a sweet deal at $190. it’s too bad the market sucks so much and I’m surprised it’s so hard to sell such a nice place in such a great location.

here in phoenix there’s so much new construction everywhere, many folks interested in buying a place will opt to have a new place built before they buy an existing home. with real estate values having dropped as far as they have (almost 20% in 2 years; we locked our price about a year before the spike), nobody here is even buying short sales yet.

here the situation is a matter of too much inventory that was built when prices were artificially high, along with new construction that keeps on going on.

if you build it, will they come?

April 16th, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Admiral says:

Your information is just wrong…

http://www.nahb.org/fileUpload_details.aspx?contentID=55104

The link above shows that new homes being built are DOWN 62% for single family homes and 49% for multi-family homes in the Phoenix area.

http://www.newhomephoenix360.com/2008/January/Short-Sales-on-Phoenix-Area-Homes-for-Sale-Increasing.htm

The above link from January 2008 disproves your “nobody here is even buying short sales yet.” statement.

Why anyone is building a new home at the moment boggles me.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abvo2Kmwc6lw&refer=home

And the above link shows Arizona as a whole is the 4th highest in foreclosures in the entire U.S.

Top Five States for Foreclosures State Rate Per Households Total

1. Nevada 1 in 139 foreclosed. Total 7,659
2. California 1 in 204 foreclosed. Total 64,711
3. Florida 1 in 282 foreclosed. Total 30,254
4. Arizona 1 in 283 foreclosed. Total 9,199
5. Colorado 1 in 339 foreclosed. Total 6,180

So, either you just don’t know any better or you’re a real estate agent trying to make your situation look better then it is.

April 16th, 2008 at 10:58 AM

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