NYC schools and the Mac mistake

Published 4/21/08

So the New York City Board of Education decided to buy a bunch of Macs for schools. Why not — the city has money to burn, and they’re such pretty computers. When the kids get into the real world they’ll have to switch to Windows like everyone else, but that’s a different story.

Most schools have WiFi, so networking isn’t a problem. Except that it is. Turns out that Mac OSX Leopard doesn’t quite do WiFi. There’s a significant bug, so the machines are pretty much useless for the schools.

So instead of giving the kids the computers, they’re all sitting in a warehouse collecting dust until Apple releases the next bug fix for OSX.

Next time, perhaps, the city will buy a bunch of HP’s. They can buy more computers for the same price so more kids can use ‘em, plus those kids won’t have to be embarrassed at job interviews when they say “I don’t know if I can use Windows.”

Windows Vista sucks on a lot of levels, for sure, but at least it can connect to the Internet wirelessly.

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alt opinion says:

Did you read the links you pointed to?

Are they all sitting in warehouses? Um, no. And not even NYCE’s warehouses (Dell warehouses too, ironically enough). The article clearly says “some” units and even goes so far as to point out that many of the computers have shipped, the issue is only on some DOE wifi areas and many are working fine and/or on wired connections.

It might be helpful (although not to your point of snickering) to note that the bug has to do with cheapo wireless routers that NYCDOE uses in some locations. saying Leopard “doesn’t quite do WiFi” is bending the truth quite a bit. It has trouble with older, cheaply-boarded systems and soon it will work with those.

But, I would argue against any DOE ordering a ton of computers with the newest OS of Mac or Windows unless it’s been fully tested on a network. Wouldn’t want to get a ton of anything in just to have a large-scale Vista or Leopard problem.

They probably couldn’t save a dime going HP. By the time they paid for the HP, Vista, enough hardware to run them and buy all the equivalent software for what they need to do, they wouldn’t have beaten Apple’s education volume pricing. And hey, at 20% of new marketshare, I’m sure you’re thrilled Apple’s surging.

Anyway, I realize this was just a vehicle for you to snarkily snicker at Apple again. And here I took the bait wanting to make sure your readers saw what the article actually contained rather than your glossy parroting.

April 21st, 2008 at 8:17 AM

gnomic says:

I thought windows was supposed to me able to run windows now. So why didn’t they just switch?

April 21st, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Andrew says:

Gnomic, I assume the schools want to have some machines running other OSs. Linux for the computer science classes, Macs for special ed.

April 21st, 2008 at 1:16 PM

alt opinion says:

Or Macs for the Windows and Mac OSX. Esp. since Macs run Windows faster and have the latest version of Office.

But hey, don’t take my word for it, try Popular Mechanics, or PC Mag, or…:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=1

Hmm… I wonder where the comment that I posted about Steve Ballmer admitting that Vista is incomplete, bloated and crippled went?

April 21st, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Admiral says:

ugh will it never end. Can’t we all just get along?

April 21st, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Mary says:

Is Windows so difficult that you have to learn it in school? And if so, will the Windows you use when you finish school be remotely similar to the one you studied?

I don’t see what the fuss is. Surely OS X is not so much simpler to master that the kiddies will be permanently handicapped having used it.

April 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 PM

mary says:

“Gnomic, I assume the schools want to have some machines running other OSs. Linux for the computer science classes, Macs for special ed.”

Actually it looks like you could use Macs to do all three if UNIX is a decent substitute for Linux.

April 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 PM

tommy says:

macs suck
windows sucks
it all sucks.

computerz r az gud az the uzerz.

mac users tend to be nasty and/or cocky about ‘how much better macs are than windows computers’ so macs get a bad rep. windows users are willing to accept more bugs i.e. they tend to be more tolerant people in general.

it’s organized religion all over again. pick a god to be loyal to and then do everything in His Name to smash the infidels into the ground.

blah blah blah

April 25th, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Admiral says:

truth is spoken above!

April 25th, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Chuck Staples says:

Funny, even Dells and HPs cost NYC as much as Macs the way they set it up in NYC.

To quote an NYC DOE employee “Mayor Bloomberg established Dell as the exclusive dealer of computers for all of NYC government. It was a way of standardizing equipment. It has caused the city millions in overpriced equipment expenses. As an example, the education Imac costs 899. When you add in the expense of preinstalling “Office” (the city already has a site license) for $149 and add in the expense of Symantic antivirus, the cost of the computer hits $1200. The extra expense I’ve been told is for adding a NYCDOE desktop picture. When questioning DOE employees, teachers are told not to worry about it. It is good to be Dell I guess.

By the way Dell computers cost the same amount. With the constant bickering about who is cheaper, with the DOE it is the same price.

Notice that the city pays full price for Office and Norton Antivirus. Wouldn’t you think with the volume of computers purchased that the city would get a discount? What a waste of money.”

Why is Symantic antivirus being installed? To protect the Windows computers? Why not run ClamXav? Aintivirus causes more problems on Mac than it finds.

I have a ThinkPad for work. When my company switched wi-fi clients, many of us lost wi-fi connectivity in way Leopard adopters are reporting. Hmm, I guess we shouldn’t have switched to the MS client and kept our old client SW. If we backed off of WPA2, things were better.

But I suppose this shouldn’t be news since it didn’t involve a Mac?

BTW, where I work, UNIX is where most of it gets done. I suppose the OS you used in high school is the same one you use today? I doubt it. Claiming kids will be behind because they don’t use windows is like saying kids who use HP calculators won’t be able to function in the “real world” because so many of us TI calculators. If someone couldn’t learn how to navigate Windows (OSX, Linux, or UNIX), they should be embarrassed. I want someone who can think, not an automaton.

Andrew, could you get over your Apple hatred? It almost sounds like someone who rails on gays because they have a secret fear they could be one. It’s gotten pathetic. All computers and OSes have bugs that take time to fix. Apple isn’t blameless. Please, move on with your life.

May 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 AM

gnomic says:

The biggest problem with the macs that our schools system bought is that they fell apart too quickly. They simply don’t stand up to hard use by most students. After a just a couple of years, they replaced them all with Dell laptops running windoze. Most kids are now taking the PC with them to college ever after several years of use.

But the MACs made cute paperweights.

May 15th, 2008 at 8:32 PM

gnomic says:

Hey, PainfulTruth, be careful with the nasty comments. The father of your god is a short, fat, bald, bitter, little man named Steve Jobs.

May 15th, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Admiral says:

No need to get personal Painful Truth. Sticks and stones. You must be 10 years old.

May 15th, 2008 at 9:10 PM

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